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Post by buckinghambadger on Nov 14, 2010 22:57:24 GMT -6
Both beat up on Prairie View Marquette 97-58, Wisconsin 99-55. Marquette also beat Bucknell 72-61 with a strong second half after struggling in the first.
I think Wisconsin will be better than they were last season if they stay healthy. Jordan Taylor is a much better PG than Hughes was and Jon Leuer is may be the best player in the Big Ten and if healthy is an All American. I think Gasser may have earned himself a starting spot tonight, he looked fantastic and may really shore up the only weakness this team has, guard depth. I hope he can keep up the solid play.
Vander Blue got the start for Marquette, so we should see two in state freshmen playing big roles for both in state basketball power houses.
I'm looking forward to this season, the Big 10 is the best conference this year with a lot of tough teams, but I think Wisconsin can compete for the title and crack the top 3.
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Post by postmaster on Nov 16, 2010 9:02:06 GMT -6
I'm excited the season. I agree that the Big 10 is the best conference this year. Should be some great battles. I'll be very interested to watch UW and MU play this year. Both have some newer pieces contributing. I did watch the Bucknell-MU and the Prairie View Game. Prairie View is god-awful and Bucknell could really shoot! MU finally has some size down low which will help, but the inexperienced backcourt will cause them problems.
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Post by buckinghambadger on Nov 16, 2010 9:36:32 GMT -6
It will be really interesting to see who has the better year between Vander Blue and Josh Gasser. Over the course of the year Blue probably gets more playing time I'd imagine, but if Gasser can perform like he did the other night I would really question Bo if he weren't starting or playing big minutes. Smith may have been in the system a long time, but just doesn't have the abilities Gasser does. Rob Wilson may start but he is more of a 3 than a 2 and doesn't have the handle Gasser does.
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Post by buckinghambadger on Dec 13, 2010 13:17:02 GMT -6
Wisconsin domination over the weekend. It is a shame that Vander Blue chose to go to a school where he will not grow at all as a player. Also Marquette fans need to stop with all the "top 10 recruiting class, Marquette's on the rise, Wisconsin's on the decline" crap. Not saying I've heard that from people on here, just other Marquette fans I know.
To tell you the truth, I'm not sure about Buzz as a coach. I don't know if he's performed up to the talent level he has recruited.
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Post by JRK on Dec 13, 2010 14:34:31 GMT -6
I typically favor Wisconsin over Marquette a little bit, but I support both teams. I have some issues with some of the comments of the previous post. I was at the game on Saturday and I felt like the Badgers were the better team, but I certainly don't think using the term "domination' is correct considering Marquette had a chance to tie the game at the end. Dont know if a 5 point win can be considered domination. Also Im not sure where the Vander Blue not growing as a player comes from. Lazar Hayward got better during his career at Marquette, didnt he? It also seems like Jimmy Butler is getting better and better. The issue I had with Buzz during the game is why isn't Buycks and escpecially Gardner not playing more?
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Post by buckinghambadger on Dec 13, 2010 15:18:45 GMT -6
Wisconsin never lost control of the game and really were a basket or two from breaking away. The refs bailed Marquette out time after time to keep the momentum from completely going to Wisconsin. Even the announcers were commenting on the questionable calls. One of the worst calls that stands out to me was the call on Jarmusz at the end of the half. He slid his feet perfectly, had position, and to top it off Vander extended his forearm into Jarmusz. What'd the refs call? A block. If this game were played at the Kohl Center with Big Ten refs, I'm not sure Marquette could have kept it within 15 to 20 points.
Vander has all the physical ability he needs, what he needs to develop is his mental game. Playing in that offense he isn't going to. He'd be much better off playing for Bo, because he has a lot of maturing that needs to take place.
Also for the Marquette fans out there, what happened to DJO? He was great last year. Did Buzz ruin him or something?
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Post by GeauxGetta on Dec 13, 2010 17:16:11 GMT -6
Vander has all the physical ability he needs, what he needs to develop is his mental game. Playing in that offense he isn't going to. He'd be much better off playing for Bo, because he has a lot of maturing that needs to take place. Also for the Marquette fans out there, what happened to DJO? He was great last year. Did Buzz ruin him or something? Wait, the Swing has never won games. Who would want to play in that offense? Fundamentally, Marquette's defense is HORRIBLE. Can you honestly teach worse technique?
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Post by JRK on Dec 14, 2010 12:02:28 GMT -6
Are we talking about Vander Blue developing as a college player or as a player getting ready for the NBA? Bo has not developed too many NBA players over the years.
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Post by buckinghambadger on Dec 14, 2010 13:09:21 GMT -6
Are we talking about Vander Blue developing as a college player or as a player getting ready for the NBA? Bo has not developed too many NBA players over the years. I think that is because of the type of player he has had. He did develop Devin Harris from a lower tier prospect to a lottery pick, and Alando Tucker from a lower tier prospect to a first rounder. He has also developed Leuer from a lower tier prospect into probably a first rounder. A guy like Roy Williams produces a lot of NBA talent, but that isn't his doing. It is the players that play for him have the NBA talent already. Same goes for Calipari. On the other hand Wes Matthews, a kid who has clearly always had NBA talent, size, and athleticism, wasted his career at Marquette and wasn't even drafted. Look at him now, no thanks to Marquette he is excelling in the NBA. He plays for Wisconsin and he is a first rounder IMO.
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Post by BrewerNation on Dec 14, 2010 13:12:02 GMT -6
Wisconsin= Awesome Marquette= The Devil's Workshop
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Post by MasonJogerRoesch on Dec 14, 2010 14:26:23 GMT -6
Do you really think Leuer is a probable first rounder?
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Post by buckinghambadger on Dec 14, 2010 15:32:03 GMT -6
Do you really think Leuer is a probable first rounder? Depends on how this year goes, but with what he is showing so far, yes. He's 6'10" can step out and shoot with a lot of range and consistency, he has great handle for a guy his size, he has good quickness for a guy his size. I think he is at least a late first rounder, maybe early second.
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Post by GeauxGetta on Dec 14, 2010 15:53:00 GMT -6
BHB is right on; 26-37 is a good draft range for him.
In my opinion, even guys like Dominic James and Jerel McNeal were more talented than Kam Taylor (nothing against the Chris Rock doppleganger), but they're not doing much now. Stiemsma, Krabbenhoft, and Landry all at least tasted the NBA (Butch is probably the only major underachiever, but some people never even expected him to blow the roof off), so that is to be commended.
D-Wade was a Crean guy, but was he an anomaly or was he just disregarded due to his low academic standing?
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Post by MasonJogerRoesch on Dec 15, 2010 7:40:04 GMT -6
Can Leuer defend in the NBA? What late first round, early second round pick in the last ten years does he most resemble?
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Post by postmaster on Dec 15, 2010 10:49:46 GMT -6
A few thoughts:
Wes Matthews was not used properly at Marquette under Crean. Buzz used him correctly and improved his game to help him get to where he is today.
Wisconsin is the better team than Marquette this year. That was proven on Saturday. Talent for talent, man for man, MU probably has the edge, but Wisconsin is tougher and smarter and plays better as a team. Some of that is due to the inexperience of MU and some of that has to do with coaching and the guys you recruit. Athleticism doesn't always bring toughness and smarts.
Neither team in my opinion will be major players in the post season. MU might not even make the tourney. UW will make it and upset some people along the way and I see another 20 win season.
I can't imagine that Buzz is teaching wrong defensive techniques. He is a division one coach and no one on this board is qualified to say that he doesn't know how to teach defense. Now teaching something and having it happen in the games are two seperate battles.
I like Leuer. Not sure how he will do at the next level. I'm sure he will get drafted.
I find it funny when someone brings up Wade and his success, academics has to get thrown into the discussion. Just admit he was a good find and a great player.
Will Bo Ryan be able to take his program to the next level like Bielema did this year? Or will Badger fans be content winning 20 games a year and always competing but not doing much in the postseason?
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